alt.politics.economics

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:51:54 GMT, Richard Eich
< @ > wrote:

>royls@ wrote...
>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:20:45 -0400, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
>> wrote:
>>
>> > wrote
>> >> On Oct 2, 6:01 am, "Paul Thomas, CPA"
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> wrote in
>> >>>
>> >>> > The fact that slaves would generally rather be slave owners
>> >>>
>> >>> Cite?
>> >>>
>> >>> > is not much of a justification for slavery.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now that's a hallowed leap of faith.
>> >>
>> >> I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure you are asking for a cite on
>> >> the antecedent of a hypothetical.
>> >
>> >I'm asking for a citation to a "fact". Facts can be proven.
>>
>> No, that is of course false. Facts are what they are, whether anyone
>> can prove them or not. "Elephants are grey" is a fact, and it was a
>> fact before there were any human beings on earth to prove it.
>
>That's disengenuous, and I think you know it.

It's not disingenuous at all. The notion that statements that cannot
be proved are not true is just absurd.

>Facts have the quality of being provable.

No, they do not. They have the quality of describing reality, whether
they can be proved to do so or not.

>Their existence does not depend on having been
>proven, of course -- and it doesn't look like the OP was saying that.

And that wasn't what I refuted.

>> >Guesses can not.
>>
>> That slaves would rather be slave owners is not a guess.
>
>Go on and exclude that big pile of middle, why don't you?
>
>Some slaves might want to be slave owners; they might want revenge.

Nothing to do with revenge. They just would rather hold the whip than
feel it.

>Some slaves might simply want to be free, and just want slavery and
>slave ownership both to disappear.

Of course. Maybe most of them. But that is not one of the options.

>Some slaves might realize that
>the slave owner is a fucked up distorted soul of a human being, and
>opt not to be that themselves thank you very much.

You claim they would choose to stay slaves in order to avoid being
distorted souls??

And you call _me_ disingenuous!

-- Roy L